In this home-centered, pandemic-laden world we are in, God, in his kindness, had Matt and I (Laurie) record a mini-series last month where we opened up our real world to you.

Today, we are sharing it. In episode two of three of the “Our World” series, we invited our friend, Stephanie Thole, to help us learn how to have a conversation bridging the gap between sexuality and race conversations.

Are these conversations so similar? Are they so different?

Is it really true that if you are pro- “Black Lives Matter” you must also be pro- “Love is Love”?

Hang out with us and our real-life friends today on the pod, and perhaps learn how to better engage both of these challenging topics with grace, truth, and love.

Highlights:

“We were one of the few black families. I remember always being so attracted to all of these white boys. In my mind, I was like, ‘I gotta get rid of this…’ I understood at a very early age that that was not allowed.” —Stephanie Thole

“I was very much aware at how different I was. That I was ‘other.’” —Stephanie Thole

“A lot of us have made mistakes, have had hard conversations, have offended the wrong person, and it’s been a painful, awkward experience. Don’t let that stop you. Keep walking.” —Stephanie Thole

Do the Next Thing:

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We didn’t explore sexual minorities and race (in the same person). Find an episode that touches on that here

The last racial reconciliation conversation we had with Kinita? Here